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January 05, 2010

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toujoursdan

The similarities to the rhetoric we had to endure are amazing. They definitely learned from our right-wing.

DKSampson

Our break-aways say it isn't about gays, it is about Biblical interpretation. Of course, most of them are still angry over ordination of women...

John Petty

The Biblical angle is, to me, the most galling. They simply pronounce that the Bible supports their view, when it flat doesn't.

Jody

I am still waiting for even one of the CORE supporters at our church to explain why they don't just join the LCMS. They have yet to explain why ordaining women is not just as forbidden by the Bible as ordaining partnered gay men.

The reliance on the Creation story is especially odd to me, and has been since 2005. If you're going to go the "but God intended this type of partnership route, and deviations are a sign of fallen humanity," then why not be just as fired up about female subordination as a consequence of Eve's fall?

The lack of consistency, especially from people with pretty vigorous theological training, baffles me.

Rob Horne

I appreciate your critique of the Lutheran CORE movement. While I am theologically and politically conservative, I have had my own misgivings of Lutheran CORE's approach to 'reform'. You are spot on in your assessment that CORE is being defined by what they are against, and not what they stand form. They may garner some support, but I have difficulty seeing a large groundswell that would propel them to a point of parity with the ELCA. I don't know that they should, however, want to be on parity with the ELCA or any of the mainline protestant denominations. This whole process has turned me off to denominational structure and church authority. CORE feels to much like a church denomination to me and I am discovering that I am much more comfortable in a congregational model for church polity based on church associations.

Steve Miller

I am a gay man, raised in the LCMS. I had wanted to go to seminary ever since I was a teenager.

Then I went to Concordia and found that it (and, by proxy, the seminaries they feed) were filled with law-thumping, dour-faced, angry young men. That was not my scene.

It wasn't until this whole "scandal" broke that the thought of entering a seminary ever re-entered my mind.

My point here? You win some, you lose some.

Great post.

John Petty

Jody, you are right about the centrality of the creation story for the "dissenters." I went to a conservative discussion board and asked them to make their best case for me. They tended to assert Genesis 1-2. (Someone then said, "So God blessed procreation. It does not follow that God condemns all other arrangements.")

Rob, considering all that religious heirarchies have done over the centuries, skepticism about them seems a good policy. That said, I commend Bishop Hanson for the job he's done so far.

Steve, my sympathies. How about one of our fine ELCA seminaries?

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